tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post196703215440649076..comments2023-12-21T23:44:40.324+13:00Comments on Maui Street: Destiny Part TwoMorgan Godferyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-26061974309017455522011-06-10T13:42:13.357+12:002011-06-10T13:42:13.357+12:00Civil Unions are already part of the Law it will ...Civil Unions are already part of the Law it will be interesting to see if Mana's polices end up recognising things like Civil Unions and other human rights legislation that recognises the rights of our Takataapui whanau. If Hone was standing as an independent then ka pai keep to the spurious notion that being anti the rights of our gay whanau is the way to win the Maori vote. Morgan is right as the leader of the Mana Party "Hone cannot claim to be a progressive politician while at the same time placating bigots. He cannot have it both ways. Its not only Hone who is at fault here, all across the spectrum of Maori politics the message is clear that the votes (and by implication the rights of ) of maori feminists & glbt don't matter.Anahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304303649328535925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-22730814637828234492011-06-09T18:48:03.648+12:002011-06-09T18:48:03.648+12:00You know, I got to thinking the other day about ho...You know, I got to thinking the other day about how Mana's popularity would fear if Hone announced that a policy of theirs was to legalise gay marriage-and I think the result would be that it would increase the party vote, yet at the same time loosen his grip on Te Tai Tokerau.<br /><br />Why? While Maori may align with the left economically, socially Maori collectively are quite conservative. It's acceptable for Maori to say "that guy's a fag ow", if a Pakeha said that in the middle of Willis Street they would draw the deathly stares of everyone in their peripheral.<br /><br />The vote Hone is going for is the lower socio-economic vote of Maori and Pacific Islanders. However, those groups are also conservative, and it's reflected in the low vote for the Greens in the Maori electorates, and the Pacific Island-heavy South Auckland electorates. Though they may identify with the Greens on the economic left-perhaps even moreso than they do with Labour, when it comes to the social left, Maori and Pacific Islanders in general are a world apart from the Greens.<br /><br />Politically, I think social ambiguity is probably the best path for Hone to take. That may be a pessimistic view, but I think it's reality.Shannon Tauruanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-74652169335386697462011-06-09T16:34:58.331+12:002011-06-09T16:34:58.331+12:00I enjoy your use of the word fuck. well placed.I enjoy your use of the word fuck. well placed.Edwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447677607839271663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-617247771494173842011-06-09T11:29:22.377+12:002011-06-09T11:29:22.377+12:00Personally for me the Bin Laden thing was strike o...Personally for me the Bin Laden thing was strike one... this is strike two. At this rate Hone is accumulating strikes bloody quick.<br /><br />I'm starting to think that, while Hone was good at identifying the problems with the Maori Party's policies, he's not so good at proposing an alternative - or rather, he is good at proposing an alternative, he's just not good at actually building a political body capable of seeing that alternative become a policy option (let alone getting into government).DPF:TLDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372937855256319716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-44047170763246169972011-06-09T02:24:12.546+12:002011-06-09T02:24:12.546+12:00A very good piece Morgan. The cynic in me thinks ...A very good piece Morgan. The cynic in me thinks there is a lesson in this and that is you should never put too much faith in a politician because they will inevitably disappoint you. Saying that, I just think Hone got bad advice on this one rather than it being symptomatic of something more fundamentally wrong with his campaign.<br /><br />Interestingly too, word is that Annette Sykes is not happy with his appearance at the Destiny Conference and subsequent comments on Campbell live - she is good friends with many Gay and Lesbian Maori. It appears that the Maori 'activists' won't tolerate too much more of this before the withdraw their support.Joshuahttp://roiamaori.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-45589645377536977422011-06-09T00:40:41.588+12:002011-06-09T00:40:41.588+12:00The Green Party is the most inclusive party in New...The Green Party is the most inclusive party in New Zealand. I am proud to work with Green colleagues who have various leading roles within the party because they are good people and can do the job well (full stop).Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-7216409154001648982011-06-08T22:00:15.221+12:002011-06-08T22:00:15.221+12:00Wasn't Metiria Turei impressive though?Wasn't Metiria Turei impressive though?robertguytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335459362715594644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-4606400646432817512011-06-08T21:16:13.504+12:002011-06-08T21:16:13.504+12:00I have watched Brian Tamaki (please don't dign...I have watched Brian Tamaki (please don't dignify him with the self awarded title of Bishop) since he started his Lake City Church in Lake Rd Rotorua 20 odd years ago. While there are undoubedly positive spin offs from the Church, they are secondary to Brian's obsession - power and money for himself.The bucket going round for the money was the most important part of any of Tamaki's services, especially when they bought their new premises in the Rotorua CBD. And it didn't matter what the financial circumstances of the church goers were (incuding those who had lost their jobs) - the pressure to donate was enormous. All the while, Tamaki got richer and more grandiose in his plans.<br />I witnessed the Enough is Enough march in Wellington too. If anyone ever had any doubt of the power of mob rule and that the evils of brain washing, propagandist movements like national socialism (nazism) could happen here, that frightening march should have dispelled them. <br />I thought the fawning over Tamaki and Destiny by the various Maori politicians was pathetic. But then I think the fawning over Ratana by all politicians is pathetic, outdoing themselves each year to trump the others in who thinks they got the best treatment at Ratana Pa. <br />Still, I suppose they think that any amount of making fools of themselves to court votes is justified. And then they expect the rest of us to take them seriously.NattyMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-23410792789734792362011-06-08T19:07:35.950+12:002011-06-08T19:07:35.950+12:00I abhor the anti-gay stance that Destiny takes.
...I abhor the anti-gay stance that Destiny takes. <br /><br />But my aunty a couple of friends are in the church I haven't seen any evidence of an anti-woman agenda in their families, nor any evidence of subservience (actually that one makes me laugh - they boss their husbands around far more then I could, and their husbands actually listen!)<br /><br />Do you think that the politicians should have challenged Destiny about these issues? And, if so, should they do the same thing with other churchs (eg the poli scramble at ratana every year). <br /><br />On reflection, I think bigotry should be challenged (at least the anti-gay sentiments) but i dont think the role of women in the church is as clear cut. Especially when there are PLENTY of Maori organisations that have worse track records when it comes to the treatment of Maori women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-23016026896038501292011-06-08T17:40:59.230+12:002011-06-08T17:40:59.230+12:00lol, that was good.lol, that was good.Morgan Godferyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-77802608549387447352011-06-08T17:37:30.714+12:002011-06-08T17:37:30.714+12:00re : Hone's liberality ?
This is the guy who ...re : Hone's liberality ?<br /><br />This is the guy who would feel uncomfortable if his daughter brought home a non Maori.<br /><br />Hate to think how he'd feel if his son brought home Darren Hughes :)pollywoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01295990157397125661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-42372443595702591622011-06-08T17:34:08.544+12:002011-06-08T17:34:08.544+12:00ouch...that's gotta hurt :)ouch...that's gotta hurt :)pollywoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01295990157397125661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-2320322247169908152011-06-08T17:33:23.972+12:002011-06-08T17:33:23.972+12:00The difference is I do not support the others, in ...The difference is I do not support the others, in fact I dislike them. I thought Hone was more sensible and liberal than the others, but apparently not.Morgan Godferyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-90974540449686739332011-06-08T17:26:45.422+12:002011-06-08T17:26:45.422+12:00Wow Morgan - so Hone wears the brunt of attending ...Wow Morgan - so Hone wears the brunt of attending the Destiny Gathering and the other MP's get off scot free? Destiny have plenty of Maori members and other churches have less than desirable policies and pasts (Anglicans, Catholics, etc...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com