tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post2008751115753902332..comments2023-12-21T23:44:40.324+13:00Comments on Maui Street: Ka kite Ratana.... Kia ora Destiny?Morgan Godferyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-25358498705844454262011-06-08T13:09:07.018+12:002011-06-08T13:09:07.018+12:00Just so you all know that the Ratana church is str...Just so you all know that the Ratana church is stronger today than it ever was particularly when all Morehu get to understand and realise the legacy left to us and all Maori by TWRatana then will that light shine strongly in those hearts. Understand the kaupapa is physical / spiritual so a balance has to be maintained. Politics is just a part of its makeup. With regards to Hone Harawira he can only be the most frightening polititian to those people who have not been walking a path of truth; so it does'nt matter which forum he appears in just remember that he is one person with his wife, mother and family who certainly "walk the talk"; with no humbug. Ratana prophesied that Maori will become stronger politically and Hone Harawira and his family are certainly leading the way in that regard....nga manaakitanga o Ihoa o nga Mano ma runga ia ratou me ia tatou i nga wa katoa....Kia kaha Kia maia Kia manawanui...Mauriora..!!Marama Waddellhttp://facebook.com/Piriwirituanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-59110734211125758612011-06-08T12:51:28.404+12:002011-06-08T12:51:28.404+12:00Ratana = 50,000 members today..
mhmm.. the Ratana...Ratana = 50,000 members today..<br /><br />mhmm.. the Ratana movement is crumbling. When TWR passed away in 1939, the number of members was 40,000. And between 1939 and 2009, there's only been a growth of say just over 10,000 members within a 70year period. When TWR passed away, the church and movement needed a strong leader to continue membership growth. No doubt if there was a strong leader in place, the membership of Ratana would be around 200,000-300,000 by now.. and then compare that to Destiny's 10,000. Obviously, there would be no doubt that Ratana would still hold prevalence in numbers. Especially if the leadership put into practice the kotahitanga of bloc voting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-50784919714165750232011-06-08T11:49:15.393+12:002011-06-08T11:49:15.393+12:00I dislike the association of Ratana to Destiny. I ...I dislike the association of Ratana to Destiny. I acknowledge the Ratana Movement for not being overly politicised as merely trying to ensure its own internals are being held accountable to its members.<br /><br />I agree with the comment when Destiny is around in 100 years time which Ratana will be celebrating its centenarary on Nov 2018....then I will be impressed.geoff hipangonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-85400346893308376632011-06-08T11:27:40.706+12:002011-06-08T11:27:40.706+12:00I'm proud to have been baptised Ratana.
But t...I'm proud to have been baptised Ratana.<br /><br />But those 10 000 Destiny votes. Are they all eligible voters or do they include the kids as well ?<br /><br />BTW haven't you got Te Heu Heu mixed up with Big Toe Henare ?pollywoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01295990157397125661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-44926628339422462802011-06-06T21:43:02.059+12:002011-06-06T21:43:02.059+12:00ka kite Ratana,kia ora destiny,is this a joke,chec...ka kite Ratana,kia ora destiny,is this a joke,check the census numbers we are over 50.000 strong and coming up to 100 years old..ka kite i dont think so...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-10195635622663029642011-06-02T18:54:00.413+12:002011-06-02T18:54:00.413+12:00Hone & Te Mana cant have it both ways, purport...Hone & Te Mana cant have it both ways, purport to be a party of the liberal left then saddle up with bigoted crackpots from the right like Tamaki . I agree with Kim that socially conservative Maori all to often write off the vote & the interests takatāpui, GLBT, but if you take time to analyse the numbers the vote for the Christian right is in decline in NZ and had been since 2005 So the real effect of any support from destiny would be minimal & would end up damaging and alienating any support from the left. Is this a price Hone & Te Mana are willing to pay. If so then Mana are just the Maori party 2.0 using the rhetoric from the progressive left but in action are still shoring up and supporting repressive Maori social conservatism of which Tamaki is the worst example.Anahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304303649328535925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-63184126974411300422011-06-02T15:24:30.455+12:002011-06-02T15:24:30.455+12:00Lilz, I totally agree with Ana.
Each of the par...Lilz, I totally agree with Ana. <br /><br />Each of the parties that attend the hui without actively speaking against homophobia are giving a message to destiny (it's okay to preach bigotry as long as you've got enough members who might vote for us), and they're sending a message to takatāpui, GLBT, etc (we don't care. We will not risk votes to stand with you).<br /><br />Of course, this is what we're used to. Sadly, Māori (like most) politicians tend to side with the powerful. It's shit, and we should be able to expect better.Kim McBreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07472161630620747887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-69644775043218067362011-06-02T14:35:08.657+12:002011-06-02T14:35:08.657+12:00Yeh i kind of agree. Back in the day, Tariana spo...Yeh i kind of agree. Back in the day, Tariana spoke at the ACT conference and now, they are in a coalition of sorts. Would that mean, Hone speaks at the Destiny conference and before we know it, Bishop Tamaki is offering spiritual advice on national issues? Destiny do have a stage and most politicians do stand at every opportunity to promote their kaupapa but yeh...a tough one...Potaua (2kPt)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03968289192291095632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-36641180947275457912011-06-02T11:41:51.579+12:002011-06-02T11:41:51.579+12:00@ Lilz the only hate politics is the hate that the...@ Lilz the only hate politics is the hate that the destiny church ferments and spreads against the Takaatapui / GLBT communityAnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304303649328535925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-4843184463254450392011-06-02T09:05:09.203+12:002011-06-02T09:05:09.203+12:00Morgan, you might be interested to read the rather...Morgan, you might be interested to read the rather similar arguments I made in October last year when Pita Sharples was announced as the keynote at the Destiny conference:<br /> <br />http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2010/10/the-perils-of-the-dark-side/<br /><br />Cheers, <br />LLewhttp://www.kiwipolitico.com/index.php?author=27noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-74877250015518387082011-06-02T08:33:17.408+12:002011-06-02T08:33:17.408+12:00I seem to view of theme of hate politics here. Th...I seem to view of theme of hate politics here. The hatred seems to go in both directions and I would dare to suggest that it is unhealthy. Attending this hui does not mean that Hone, Pita, etc. condone or endorse the Destiny message and nor does it mean that any party will be endorsed by Tamaki or his church. In a democratic society such as ours, it is important that debates and exchanging views take place. Not everyone will be on the same page but at least they will have clearer views about what makes others tick. Remember whoever is elected represents the entire electorate, not just those that elected them. As for the commenter who said that Māori beliefs are being colonised by Christianity, well sorry that happenned back in the early 19th century. It is so well ingrained into our tikanga now, it is hard to go to any Māori event now without christian practices being followed.Lilznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-20253290865519549322011-06-01T18:52:04.223+12:002011-06-01T18:52:04.223+12:00" In the 2005 and 2008 elections, where the ..." In the 2005 and 2008 elections, where the Destiny Party (and later the Family Party with Destiny’s express endorsement) failed to come close to success, due largely to a lack of internal cohesion. Destiny has failed to demonstrate — even at the height of its profile five years ago, under a government largely hostile to it — that it could mobilise a meaningful number of votes....<br /><br />"The second, and by far the more important reason, is the abhorrent nature of the policies and principles Destiny stands for — crude Daddy State authoritarian Christian conservatism with a brownish tinge; illiberal, intolerant, homophobic and misogynistic, quite opposed to where Aotearoa is heading. And that’s to say nothing of the corruption and appalling social dysfunction endemic to the evangelical cults of which Destiny is an example. " http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2010/10/the-perils-of-the-dark-side/Anahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304303649328535925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-24293589104829035972011-06-01T18:32:58.189+12:002011-06-01T18:32:58.189+12:00Its a waste of political time and will alienate ma...Its a waste of political time and will alienate many on the left from supporting Mana. I think the average Maori voter does not want a fundamentalist personality cult involved in politics....lay down with dogs & you get fleas. If you take the time to analyse the 'christian' right vote since 2005 it has steadily declined, so its makes no sense politically for Mana to participate. All their participation will do it aid the ego of a cult leader who the electorate has already discarded.Anahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304303649328535925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-51489084254227797632011-06-01T10:30:08.428+12:002011-06-01T10:30:08.428+12:00Anonymous said...@ June 1, 2011 12:39 AM
"...Anonymous said...@ June 1, 2011 12:39 AM <br /><br /> "the Mana Party and its values, encompasses many of the ten commandments in its values"<br /><br />This applys to the values of any other political party in this country.<br /><br />Mana party applicable commandments? I shall have a wee look.<br /><br />Is it #1? No other Gods? Perhaps not.<br />#2? Carved image?..mmmm maybe not this one either<br />#3? Not taking the Lords name in vain? Phew I don't think that it is this one.<br />#4? Remember the sabbath day? No sirree not this one, Communists don't recognise any of the above.<br />#5? Honour your Father & Mother...could be this one, Hone sure does what mum says.<br /> Not sure about Matt, John etc, but they probably love their parents also.<br />#'s 6,7,8,9 You bet these fit the Mana party, also the tinfoil hat party, Nats, Labour, etc. <br />#10? You shall not covet others property...No way Jose, does this one fit the Mana party.<br /><br />50% probably = many, same as any rational thinking party & person.<br /><br />Just a thought Morgan thats all.<br /><br /><br />Cheers<br />LoftyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-80464652689347525012011-06-01T10:08:16.357+12:002011-06-01T10:08:16.357+12:00I agree that destiny is poison to mana as are all ...I agree that destiny is poison to mana as are all of the christian denominations - IMO they are still colonising Maori belief systems and we are still letting them.Marty Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07434142404949696557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-43911904065337524652011-06-01T09:52:58.594+12:002011-06-01T09:52:58.594+12:00Obviously being on Destiny's home turf will ma...Obviously being on Destiny's home turf will make it a hard gig. However, it is a good chance for all the parties to spell out their policies to those gathered. You have to remember that all the parties tend to gather at Ratana every year (I am not comparing Tamaki to Ratana). The Destiny Church is the fundamentalist equivalent and if they have the initiative to organise this then all politicians invited should try to get there. At the same time, these politicians should stay true to their own belief's and not pander to the philosophies and world view of those at the meeting. Yes, they will have to submit themselves to sermons, prayers and animated interjections, but this shouldn't be a deterrent as Parliamentary behaviour is not always that flash either. I would also expect Maori politicians to go to a gathering of muslims, mormons and other religious groups that may have a Māori constituency.<br />Disclaimer: I do not consider myself to be a practising Christian and I have never met Brian Tamaki or attended any of his churches. Instead I am a politically interested, well educated, middle-aged Māori and want to encourage other Māori regardless of political viewpoints to engage in the political process.Lilznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-40482611208606770312011-06-01T09:47:51.651+12:002011-06-01T09:47:51.651+12:00The flock doesn't always listen to it sheppard...The flock doesn't always listen to it sheppard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-57270200916350449542011-06-01T09:26:35.234+12:002011-06-01T09:26:35.234+12:00Your comment was removed because it was offensive....Your comment was removed because it was offensive. If you want to "discredit" this blog, do so arguing fact and using logic. Smears will not be accepted. Play the game and not the man. <br /><br />Get a grip of yourself too.Morgan Godferyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-54184911788609599902011-06-01T09:22:44.752+12:002011-06-01T09:22:44.752+12:00WHERES MY COMMENT DISCREDITING THIS BLOG? CENSORED...WHERES MY COMMENT DISCREDITING THIS BLOG? CENSORED! OF ALL THE PEOPLE... YOU FRAUD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-83663999569831693252011-06-01T02:48:49.813+12:002011-06-01T02:48:49.813+12:00i agree with the above comment (in caps), none of ...i agree with the above comment (in caps), none of them would have heard a word spoken by Tamaki but claim to know alot about him from what others have spoke of him, why should Hone worry about people who have the wrong perception of Tamaki, thats like enabling them with their self deception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-87848260230982802052011-06-01T01:57:10.141+12:002011-06-01T01:57:10.141+12:00To me it shows perhaps that the destiny church is ...To me it shows perhaps that the destiny church is waning. They tried to set up their own political party and failed, so now they set up a political forum. In two months that will be forgotten too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-48806807530892073452011-06-01T00:39:05.332+12:002011-06-01T00:39:05.332+12:00Mabey Hone was invited to speak at this conference...Mabey Hone was invited to speak at this conference. I see this as a good thing because he will be able to explain what the "Mana Party/movement" is about to parishoners which in my view the Mana Party and its values, encompasses many of the ten commandments in its values...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-33754468932166749022011-05-31T18:56:20.235+12:002011-05-31T18:56:20.235+12:00This is a terrible mistake for Hone. Don't go ...This is a terrible mistake for Hone. Don't go anywhere near Destiny's church. Don't do it, for Mana's sake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-74527922651804066602011-05-31T18:29:40.798+12:002011-05-31T18:29:40.798+12:00I agree the destiny cult are political poison any ...I agree the destiny cult are political poison any perception that mana are endorsing the destiny church and Brian tamaki and they will bleed the party votes of disgruntled maori party voters which would have gone to mana to the greens or labour.Anahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304303649328535925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-68145582755253089802011-05-31T18:27:01.077+12:002011-05-31T18:27:01.077+12:00The pollies wisdoms will be forced through the min...The pollies wisdoms will be forced through the mincer of The Bishops vision. <br /><br />Why oh why and good luck to them...going up against Brian - on his homeground.Cnr Joenoreply@blogger.com