tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post7171826754383237037..comments2023-12-21T23:44:40.324+13:00Comments on Maui Street: Fact checking David Round Morgan Godferyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-63808234801367795582013-05-09T20:12:14.273+12:002013-05-09T20:12:14.273+12:00"David Round explained that a constitution is..."David Round explained that a constitution is an agreement on how people are to be governed."<br /><br />http://www.nzcpr.com/NewsletterArchive.htm<br /><br />An agreement without lawful purpose is a conspiracy.<br /><br />Contracts make law, not agreements.<br />UglyTruthhttp://www.actsinjunction.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-63099210353180998652013-01-23T22:08:13.806+13:002013-01-23T22:08:13.806+13:00It's all about perception if Canterbury Univer...It's all about perception if Canterbury University wants to allow him to publish racist rants and attach their name to it of course people will reconsider their educational facility. didn't Don Brash get educated at Canterbury University just saying. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-78414864159770745632013-01-23T17:18:35.689+13:002013-01-23T17:18:35.689+13:00Morgan suggests staying away from Canterbury Unive...Morgan suggests staying away from Canterbury University.<br /><br />Why not just stay away from idiot lecturers?<br /><br />I studied under Rawiri Taonui at Canterbury - he was excellent.<br /><br />I don't care for the likes of Round, but lecturers often make controversial statements (Margaret Mutu, Paul Moon etc). If you find them distasteful, just avoid them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-5072852254772524142013-01-23T00:22:17.875+13:002013-01-23T00:22:17.875+13:00I commented as Anon above @ 8.54.
I disagree wit...I commented as Anon above @ 8.54.<br /><br /><br />I disagree with Anon 6.23. Round's column is not representative of the University of Canterbury, and nor does his personal column justify the assertion that the University promotes 'Treaty hate'. <br /><br />Sure, it does tarnish the reputation of the University somewhat because ultimately it may raise valid questions about how they select staff (on the other hand, it may just be that it's very hard to get rid of staff). However, as an institution I think it's unfair to suggest the University of Canterbury is anything but progressive in advancing academic focus on Maori issues. <br /><br />It is my understanding that from 2015 onwards undergraduate degrees across all colleges will include a statutory paper which provides an introduction to Tikanga Maori. Alongside this, there is the recent (2011) establishment of the Ngai Tahu Research Centre [with staff like Anake Goodall, Tipene O'Regan and Te Maire Tau], and the University Council includes a member who is appointed following consultation the tangata whenua o Waitaha: Ngai Tahu [currently Sacha McMeeking, a former Law lecturer]. <br /><br />I am supportive of boycotting when it is effective, but in the case of selecting tertiary institutions I think this approach is very flawed. Unlike dairies or pubs, the supply of tertiary institutions is much thinner. You've got to consider people's social mobility, particularly in the case of Maori who are often less able to move the great distances required if they were to go from Chch to VUW, OU etc. <br /><br />That sort of rational-consumer market-thinking is the same that says 'we don't have to worry about promoting growth in Kawerau, because they can move to Christchurch where the jobs are'. It's intellectually dishonest to suggest that boycotting is the best thing we can do to address the sorts of problems Round reflects. Particularly for Ngai Tahu students, but also for other Maori who feel well-grounded [sic] in Christchurch, the notion of relocating may simply not be viable because it ignore the importance of local influences on learning and achievement (i.e. the presence of whanau and iwi support). <br /><br />Further, do we really think we're going to shut Round up? I doubt it, he's clearly a man of conviction. The answer is not to create a university void of cultural diversity and lacking in Maori perspective. I believe quite the opposite. <br /><br />Just because I accept the University of Canterbury allows for diverse (if perhaps a bit sour) views to be held within its academic staffing [note that his article wasn't published by UC, but by the Herald], doesn't mean I accept those views as worth any more than the paper their printed on. The brilliant thing about universities is people are allowed to put forward bizarre [sometimes factually incorrect] ideas, and then people like Morgan here can take them to the cleaners. <br /><br />If you're looking to boycott, I'd say the better option is the Herald who have obviously enjoyed a bit of Maori/Treaty sensationalism to keep the web-hits clicking up. Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-90187174750362046632013-01-22T18:23:03.998+13:002013-01-22T18:23:03.998+13:00When Round mentioned he was from the University of...When Round mentioned he was from the University of Canterbury he represented the University the onus is on Maori to boycott any organisation that promotes Treaty hate. Choose another University like Otago the more we accept this behaviour the more it will happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-9137722770769230542013-01-22T09:24:45.360+13:002013-01-22T09:24:45.360+13:00Thanks for your comment. Very interesting. Thanks for your comment. Very interesting. Morgan Godferyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-36743459823308977572013-01-22T08:54:29.660+13:002013-01-22T08:54:29.660+13:00I am a Maori arts/commerce student who's short...I am a Maori arts/commerce student who's shortly about to begin studying law at U.C. and will have Round for one of the papers I'm taking. <br /><br />After seeing him participate in last year's Vice-Chancellor's Debate (topic: Should the treaty be abolished?), I'm sure I can look forward to an entertaining display from this eccentric Anglophile. His vitriol is symptomatic of a wider misunderstanding of Maoridom and the idea of cultural-relativism, I don't fret about this down to the individual level because gains in these areas will only be made with policy which addresses the issue at the largest scale (you're always going to come across the odd redneck). <br />Round's columns are only influential in skewing dinner-table views, they don't ever hold up to thoughtful review (as your post has shown). <br /><br /><br />The university is currently in some strife, but I don't think it would be a fair reflection to judge the academic staff by the ramblings of one looney - even if they think it fit for him to teach a bunch of impressionable young law students. I trust my peers and I will apply the critical thinking that [I assume good law students will require if they wish to become good lawyers] will see the exposition of flaws in Round's argument. <br /><br />Round aside, having studied at both VUW and Canterbury I can safely say the support available to Maori students from the Maori Development Team & Maori Students Association is very good. <br /><br />If the University of Canterbury is to be described as a disgraceful institution, it should be done so in response to the poor management of course-cutting and budgeting issues (compounded by seismic activity that's severely depleted their infrastructure and resources). There are quirky exceptions, but for the most part the academic staff are very, very good and highly committed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-2286576345598814282013-01-21T21:21:22.742+13:002013-01-21T21:21:22.742+13:00I would stay well away from Canterbury - I'd e...I would stay well away from Canterbury - I'd even keep my distance if I wasn't Maori. I can't imagine how bad the Maori students in his classes are made to feel. Told that their people are bludgers and extortionists. What a disgraceful institution. Morgan Godferyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-89254230943066470282013-01-21T21:13:42.962+13:002013-01-21T21:13:42.962+13:00Hi Sam,
Opinion writers often dress assertions in...Hi Sam,<br /><br />Opinion writers often dress assertions in factual clothing. It's a routine technique - something you learn through experience in the year nine debating team or in NCEA English. <br /><br />As for undoubtedly, I don't buy your argument. The literal meaning of the word is clear (as you know): undoubtedly = without doubt; certainly' accepted as beyond question and so on. It's counterintuitive to use the word in any other sense. Even if we were to consider the ordinary usage of the word and the surrounding context, you cannot say that the word is used to introduce doubt. The word is ordinarily used to give a claim the force of fact. Morgan Godferyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151402259122819244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-64640068443793842392013-01-21T08:43:47.342+13:002013-01-21T08:43:47.342+13:00David Round is from the “NZ Centre Anti-Maori poli...David Round is from the “NZ Centre Anti-Maori political research” Muriel Newman’s hate group that has no concern about the 2 billion awarded to south Canterbury finance in 20 days but is against treaty claims of 1 billion over 20 years. Their agenda is to convince New Zealanders anything awarded to Iwi is an attack on their civil rights by adopting the mantle of victimhood.Aotearoagovthttp://aotearoagovt.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-59178708689632148792013-01-21T08:30:32.359+13:002013-01-21T08:30:32.359+13:00I asked a few of the Maori Advisory officers if Ca...I asked a few of the Maori Advisory officers if Canterbury university is suitable for my daughters education if this is the opinion of the university that Maori New Zealanders are all on child support. Also if my daughters education would involve hating this country's founding national document. People complained about Margaret Mutu's comments who privately criticised overseas white supremacists yet David round is allowed to publish racist remarks in the NZ herald about his fellow countrymen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8687643215117543088.post-8487523906449302812013-01-20T17:35:47.714+13:002013-01-20T17:35:47.714+13:00Actually Round says: "The "taonga" ...Actually Round says: "The "taonga" Maori were promised are now not just their physical property - what the word undoubtedly meant in 1840 - but anything Maori might take a fancy to."<br /><br />'Undoubtedly' is a curious word, as, despite its literal meaning, it actually adds doubt to a assertion. Inserting the word 'undoubtedly" suggests he doesn't really know - he is asserting something rather than stating a fact. Much of Round's writing displays attempts to try and confuse assertions and facts. Something you learn to do as a lawyer I guess.<br /><br />Sam BuchananAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com